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Gamble And Huff Talk 50 Years Of Philly Soul & Creating Black Music Month

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Hear from the legendary GRAMMY-winning songwriter/producer duo Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff themselves about creating Philadelphia International Records, Black Music Month and a lifelong friendship
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By 1971, prolific songwriters/producers Kenny Gamble and Leon Huff had a catalog of R&B and pop hits including The Soul Survivors "Expressway to Your Heart," The Intruders "Cowboys to Girls," and Jerry Butler's "Only the Strong Survive," and a network to help move the product released by their number of boutique record labels. But minor success wasn't enough for the inseparable twosome, so they longed for an opportunity to bridge their love of music, humanity and keeping their ear to the streets under a larger brand, for a broader audience.

Their ship eventually came in. Gamble and Huff landed a deal with Clive Davis, then CBS Records president, to house their label, Philadelphia International Records, and its signature "Philly Sound." The GRAMMY-winning musical pair recorded out of Sigma Sound Studios, accompanied by their 40-piece orchestra, MFSB. The Rock & Roll, Dance, and Songwriters Hall of Fame inductees assembled an impeccable roster of talent like The O'Jays, The Three Degrees, The Intruders, Billy Paul, Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes, Teddy Pendergrass, The Jacksons, Lou Rawls, The Jones Girls, Patti Labelle, Phyllis Hyman, and McFadden & Whitehead. The creators additionally wrangled an in-house slate of songwriters, producers and engineers including Thom Bell, Bunny Sigler, Linda Creed, Bobby Martin, Joe Tarsia, Dexter Wansel, and Cynthia Biggs.

Gamble and Huff's lush arrangements, danceable grooves, precise rhythms, and stellar vocal production were the basis for classics like "Back Stabbers," "For the Love of Money," "TSOP (The Sound of Philadelphia)," "Wake Up Everybody," "Love Train," "If You Don't Know Me By Now," "Don't Leave Me This Way," "You'll Never Find Another Love Like Mine," and "Me and Mrs. Jones." Owning the second largest Black-owned music brand by 1976, Gamble became a co-founder of Black Music Month three years later.

This year, Philadelphia International Records has released two limited edition vinyl sets (including a rare 1973 concert in San Francisco featuring its full artist roster) and landed partnerships with Pandora and Sonos Radio HD to stream and pair selections from Gamble and Huff's catalog with stories behind their compositions. Another eight-CD set features all of their label's first full-length LPs remastered. Each month concentrates on a theme related to Philadelphia International. During the coronavirus pandemic, Gamble hosted his own weekly Facebook podcast, "Message in the Music," and even joined Huff for periodic Clubhouse panels. A feature documentary and Broadway production spotlighting Gamble and Huff's impact are on the horizon.

Gamble and Huff, who originally met in an elevator over six decades ago, recently sat with GRAMMY.com to reminisce about their storied career, the key to their friendship, and staying relevant.

How does that feel commemorating a 50-year legacy this year?

Gamble: Fifty years is only part of it; that's when we started Philly International, but Gamble and Huff have been rollin' since 1963, '64, somewhere around there. It's a good thing. There were a lot of people that participated in that; many of them are not here anymore. It gives me real good memories of the past, but the future looks even brighter to me.

Huff: It's bright because I heard that music all day over the last two to three days. I'm in the doctor's office gettin' a colonoscopy, and on the radio comes [sings] "You'll Never Find." I'm in the grocery store afterwards, and [sings] "Me and Mrs. Jones" comes on through the monitor. The music is everywhere. [Laughs.]

Gamble: You sound a little bit like Billy [Paul] there, brotha. You sound good. [Smiles.]

What's the story behind the Philadelphia International Records logo?

Gamble: That logo is really the yin and the yang, but it's a rectangle. The guy that worked with us at CBS Records was named Ed Lee; he was an Asian brotha. He did just about all of our album jackets; he's the one that suggested the colors. They kinda reminded you of the freedom colors: the red, the black and the green. It just caught on because I see it all the time on commercials; it's really distinctive. The colors stand for the beginning and the end.

Did you have a writing process?

Huff: The piano was in Gamble's office, so that's where we created most of the songs. The writing process for Gamble & Huff was scientific. That piano was rigged to a point where it sounded like something else. I went and got some thumb tacks that I put behind all of the hammers: 88 behind each one of them. When the thumb tacks hit the strings, it created a whole different sound. Of course, the front and the top of the piano were off, so that music came blastin' outta like you've never heard before.

Gamble was sitting beside me, and we had a tape recorder playing all of the time because most of the song titles come from everyday life: slogans that people would say like "When Will I See You Again?" "Me and Mrs. Jones" played out right before our eyes. We were like movie directors. That's the way Gamble wrote those lyrics. We paid attention to the news and current events; we talked about everything, so that's what we wrote about—relationships, the community, the world. The music of Gamble & Huff soothed the savage beast.

Gamble: We were coming up with stuff. If you just say a certain word, BOOM! It might become a song.

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What role did you play in the creation of Black Music Month?

Gamble: We had an organization with all of the disc jockeys that we'd been working with around the world called the Black Music Association; we were creating a communications network between all of the Black disc jockeys, artists, show promoters, etc. One day we were talking about October being Country Music Month; I asked how come there's no Black Music Month? Everyone was asking what month; I said June.

With Black Music Month, we came up with a slogan: Black Music is green, which means economics. It's about money. Today, I'm just overjoyed to see how many people are participating in it now. There was a time when Huff and I were coming up when you couldn't put an album or single out with Teddy Pendergrass on the cover because record shops and promoters wouldn't even put him in the window. They didn't put no Black people on the covers. We were fortunate enough to come up in a time where we could put Teddy Pendergrass or Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes out. What we contributed, and we were with CBS Records at the time, was getting distributors to see that Black music was an economic issue. Young people were buying these albums left and right; it wasn't just singles that Black people were buying.

When we had the first convention in Philadelphia [in 1979], Stevie Wonder and Bob Marley performed together. It was amazing; we must've had about 1,000 people at that first thing because it was business. How you take the fun, joy and laughter is good, but at the end of the day, how many jobs are you producing from this industry from African American music? So many spokes in that wheel: from manufacturing, distribution to everything that you can think of.

We had a great group of people like Clarence Avant working with us. We had just about everybody in the whole industry working with us. It sounded right, and it was right to do this. Clarence Avant knew this guy in Atlanta who knew President Jimmy Carter. He asked Carter if he would entertain Black Music Month at the White House. Carter did it; we all went down there [in 1979]. Huff and I went down there with all of our crew from Philly. I don't think they ever had that many Black people in the White House. We had all of the Black disc jockeys like Frankie Crocker. We had everybody: Billy Eckstine, Evelyn "Champagne" King performing and Barry White. It was a great thing to see our people working together. Jimmy Carter was sitting on the grass. It was nice. It was beautiful.

"When me and Huff are doing these interviews together, it always opens up something in my mind that allows me to see the bigger picture in these 60 years that we've been working together...That's a long time, and it brings back a lot of emotions." Kenny Gamble

Is it overwhelming utilizing the various digital and new media platforms to share that music and history?

Gamble: Overwhelming is the right word; I say to myself this is a lot. I'm an old man; I ain't no young boy no more. It's nice working with all of the new outlets and social media. I do have to admit that it is tiring sometimes; it's a whole lot of talking and doing interviews, but it gives me a lift though.

When me and Huff are doing these interviews together, it always opens up something in my mind that allows me to see the bigger picture in these 60 years that we've been working together. I was 23, 24 years old, fresh outta high school, when Huff and I started working. That's a long time, and it brings back a lot of emotions. As long as we can do something that's positive and add to everything, I'm willing to do as much as I can to keep it going. There's a whole lot there.

Is there talk of both a feature documentary and a Broadway production to chronicle Gamble and Huff's story?

Gamble: Our team is talking about it now. It'll be great if they do it because not only did we write songs about it, but we actually really did do our part: cleaning up the community and helping out. Don't take for granted everything that you have in this physical world; you can do something more important than that. So many young people need guidance; we all need guidance. I need guidance.  

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How do you nurture your friendship outside of your creative and professional relationship?

Huff: It's about growth, loyalty and respect; me and Gamble grew together. You have to really like a person to really want to be around them all of the time. That's really how it started. I was coming over from Camden, New Jersey; Gamble's from Philly. I couldn't wait to get over with Gamble; he introduced me to a lot of new musicians I was ready to play with and that taught me a lot. It was just the joy of being together. I had pure laughter when we were collaborating. I sit now and think about it; it was a wonderful time. Me and Gamble hung out in clubs; we're joined at the hip. We were in a creative zone that was scary. It really was. It was something I wished we could've filmed; it would've been something sacred.

"It was just the joy of being together. I had pure laughter when we were collaborating. I sit now and think about it; it was a wonderful time." Leon Huff

What are you most proud of?

Huff: I'm still alive, healthy, hearing my music, and playing the piano. Not like I used to, but I still play. I'm proud of our success; I thank God for it everyday.

Gamble: As long as you're doing good, it's alright. Your heart and soul has to be in it. Philadelphia International was an example of doing good business and living up to our word. When we commit ourselves to something, we actually fulfill our commitments so people won't have anything ill to say about us.

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Black Sounds Beautiful: How Beyoncé Has Empowered The Black Community Across Her Music And Art

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Jun 12, 2021 - 12:40 pm

Beyoncé doesn't only loom large in American culture just because of her hits. Although her musical accomplishments are staggering—at 28 GRAMMY wins, she holds the record for most GRAMMYs won by a woman—Beyoncé's ongoing commitment to uplifting and celebrating the Black community has become a key part of her legacy.

This goes beyond her empowering songs—it's in her public statements and art, too.

In the debut episode of GRAMMY.com's Black Sounds Beautiful series, a special series honoring Black music and culture in all its forms, learn about the many ways in which Beyoncé's words, music and initiatives have celebrated and elevated the Black community and how she remains a steadfast fighter for the accomplishments of Black people everywhere.

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"It's important to me to show images to my children that reflect their beauty, so they can grow up in a world where they look in the mirror—first through their own families as well as the news, the Super Bowl, the Olympics, the White House, and the GRAMMYs—and see themselves and have no doubt that they're beautiful, intelligent and capable," Beyoncé said in an acceptance speech at the 59th GRAMMY Awards in 2017.

She doubled-down on the sentiment at the 2021 GRAMMY Awards show when she won the GRAMMY for Best R&B Performance for "BLACK PARADE," which she originally released on Juneteenth last year.

"As an artist, I believe it's my job, and all of our jobs, to reflect the times," she said in her GRAMMY acceptance speech this past March. "... So, I wanted to uplift, encourage and celebrate all of the beautiful Black queens and kings that continue to inspire me and inspire the whole world."

She's continued to do exactly that throughout her entire career.

In 2018, Beyoncé headlined Coachella, becoming the first-ever Black woman artist to headline the festival. She used the history-making moment as a platform to celebrate Black culture, inviting performers from historically Black colleges and universities (HBCUs) to the Coachella stage and mixing in vocal snippets of Black icons like Malcolm X and Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. Her 2020 GRAMMY-nominated music film, Black Is King, is a "love letter" to Black men. The film is the visual counterpart to The Lion King: The Gift, a 2019 soundtrack album curated by Beyoncé that spotlights African and Afrobeats artists like Wizkid, Burna Boy, Mr Eazi and many others.

Check out the strengthening clip above and watch out for more episodes of Black Sounds Beautiful as GRAMMY.com's Black Music Month celebrations proceed throughout June.

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Producer Chucky Thompson Revisits 25th Anniversary Of Mary J. Blige's 'My Life' & Creating The Bad Boy Sound

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Chucky Thompson talks to GRAMMY.com about commemorating the 25th anniversary of 'My Life,' his secretive work on Diddy's newly developed Love Records, and how he's paying respect to his D.C. go-go roots
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Jul 16, 2021 - 12:40 am

The massive success of Mary J. Blige's triple platinum 1992 debut What's the 411? brought along matching egos. When the GRAMMY-winning "Queen of Hip-Hop Soul" started to plan her follow-up album, 1994's My Life, she kept turning down producers who raised their fee; Chucky Thompson got one placement and was willing to do it for free.

Thompson's initiative would go on to change the sound of '90s hip-hop and R&B. His ear for slickly layering recognizable classic soul/R&B samples under hard beats prompted then Uptown Records executive Sean "Diddy" Combs—then Puffy—and Blige to let the then 24-year-old multi-instrumentalist to produce over half of her GRAMMY-nominated masterpiece, now the subject of an Amazon Prime documentary.

A native of Washington, D.C., Thompson got his start on congas in go-go music legend Chuck Brown band, The Soul Searchers. The once aspiring artist manager became a founding member of Diddy's in-house production team at Bad Boy Entertainment, The Hitmen. Thompson was responsible for singles like The Notorious B.I.G.'s "Big Poppa," Craig Mack's "Flava in Ya Ear," Total's "Can't You See," and Faith Evans' "Soon As I Get Home." The skilled musician would also work with Nas, Raheem DeVaughn, Jennifer Lopez, Snoop Dogg, Frankie, Emily King, and TLC.

These days, Thompson has evolved from producing and writing music into developing film projects and mentoring aspiring talent. He took some time from a session recently to chat with GRAMMY.com about commemorating the 25th anniversary of My Life, his secretive work on Diddy's newly developed Love Records, and how he's paying respect to his D.C. go-go roots.

How did you end up landing so many credits on the My Life album?

Mary is the reason that I signed with Bad Boy. I had two situations: Hiram Hicks and Puff. Hiram could get me TLC, but Puff could get me Mary. We had a mutual friend, and I was sending tracks. One track was supposed to get sent to a group in D.C. that I'd done a remix for. It was "Be With You." I was only contracted to do one song, but that one song pulled us into a different room outside of the What's the 411? album. She loved it and did something amazing on that record.

She was coming from a triple platinum success, and a lot of the producers and people that were part of the debut album were submitting astronomical budgets [for the second one]. I could understand, but Mary wasn't with it. I give lots of thanks to Puff and Mary for even trusting me because it was a brand new situation. I didn't know Puff or Mary like that, but that one session for "Be With You" allowed us to feel the energy. She came to me and Puff to ask if I'd like to do the full My Life album. Man, I wanted to do backflips when I heard her say that. It just lined up. Certain things are just life and God; that situation came from me being in the right place at the right time.

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Who's responsible for Mary J. Blige becoming a songwriter?

Mary and Puff's relationship is where a lot of the lyric writing came from. I was pretty much just an instrumentalist. I'm just happy that they trusted me enough to give them a blank canvas, but the lyrics had nothing to do with me. I didn't know exactly what was going on with her; the documentary actually showed me a lot about what was going on.

Just like the My Life album is medicine for a lot of people, as we were pulling in Curtis Mayfield and Barry White samples, that was medicine for Mary to expose herself the way that she did. She's a soldier. Imagine writing a letter talking about the most personal stuff, then it ends up on MTV. She was in the studio crying a couple of times, but she'd wipe the tears and go back to work. I'm just happy that things turned out the way they did.

How did you feel earning a GRAMMY nomination for Best R&B Album in 1996?

I'd just signed my deal at 24 years old. At that particular time for everybody, it was crazy energy around. We were working on B.I.G.'s next project, Mary's project, and not quite Faith Evans just yet, but she was in the room. Getting that GRAMMY nomination almost made me feel like anything was possible. It just solidified all of the things that were happening to me.

"My Life" was never a single, so that lets you know what type of turmoil and twist that was happening. Mary's fans and the people that loved her gave it so much love, it became this underground classic. It wasn't even marketed and promoted like that. I was buggin' that the album was certified triple platinum like What's the 411? When I got the nomination, I was over the top in the quasars, man. Getting a GRAMMY anything is the biggest deal in music.

What was a typical session like whenever The Hitmen made records?

My first real session with Bad Boy was with [producer] Easy Mo Bee. Puff asked if I wanted to go to the studio and hang out with him. I'd never met him or anything. I showed up at the session; he had a guitar there, and I just started playing along with what Easy Mo Bee was doing. He heard it and immediately wanted to record it. That became the guitar parts on "Ready to Die." That was always the energy.

Puff would give us money to go buy records; we went and found the record that became "Who Shot Ya?" People don't know that "Who Shot Ya?" was an interlude for the My Life album. The reason why B.I.G. didn't get on the record is because we snatched him up off the block in Brooklyn on a Friday. He comes in and raps; it was so gangsta and dope, but the problem was because of what he was saying on that particular verse, they would've had to place a parental advisory label on Mary's LP. So we switched up and put Keith Murray on it.

A typical session was brotherhood, and that's how we kick it with each other to this day. I keep in contact with everybody: Nashiem Myrick, Stevie J., Mario Winans, Harve Pierre, Rashad "Tumblin' Dice" Smith. We talk damn near every month at least and stay connected.

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What was special about working on Usher's debut project?

When I was in the position to sign this deal with Puff, I just started working on a bunch of stuff. I didn't really have an artist in mind when I did "Think of You." Black Moon had used Ronnie Laws' "Tidal Wave" sample, so I took the idea and freaked it into a song. I sent it up to Puff, and I didn't know what his plans were for it.

Usher was around; we were all living in that house up in Scarsdale, N.Y., and that's how I met Faith Evans. I met Faith when she wrote that record with Donell Jones. I kept hearing all of these background vocals and craziness going on. Faith, this chick who was straight New Jersey, heard the beat and some other things. Puff pulled her in on the My Life album. That's how I wound up doing her whole debut album. She told me I was gonna do it. She didn't ask. Situations like that happened because we were always around each other.

Faith is straight gospel. I didn't grow up playing in church, but I grew up in the church enough to snatch up certain melodies. A friend of mine, Kervin Cotton, and I wrote "Soon As I Get Home" when I was 16. I'm on piano between sessions playing this one part. I didn't know she was listening to it, but she told Puff to tell me to make the record before I left New York. I had my bags packed and on the way out the door. Puff had a session already ready for me.

I go upstairs, pissed and ready to leave. I'm talking to the engineers about when I have to leave to catch my flight. I whipped through that song so fast just because I was trying to get out of there. She called me later that night and told me to call her answering machine because she put the hook on there. Puff mixed it, and that's the version that you hear. Now, "Soon As I Get Home" is a classic.

What did playing in Chuck Brown and the Soul Searchers teach you about music?

Everybody's looking for the fountain of youth. For Chuck, it was the youth. He used to tell me a lot of his friends weren't older than him, but they looked older than him because they don't interact with kids. Chuck was 75-years-old with 18-year-olds coming to see him. Age ain't nothing but a number; it's about the energy you bring and how you're moving.

Chuck taught me about music, money and people early on with his band. You're dealing with all of these personalities, and you have to address them differently. It's all to get one goal accomplished. Chuck fired everybody, but everyone still loved him. It was a mission of mine as soon as I got back from the successes and accomplishments from New York, my first mission was to come and work on a record with Chuck. We worked on three albums together. It felt like life robbed him because he had so much more in store. He passed away working with dates still booked. He was super inspirational to me.

Could you share details about the music you're working on with Shania Twain?

Love Records is the new thing that's about to happen. I've been working behind-the-scenes. Stacy Barthe, who is so dope, is signed to Love Records. She was in the Bahamas with songwriter Denise Rich, who has a yacht out there. They were in the studio working on stuff. It just so happens that Shania Twain walks in on the boat.

Shania was so gangsta with it, she greets Denise and asks, "Does the microphone work?" Denise, Stacey, a guitar player, a bass player, and Shania wrote a song. Denise sent it to me to add some additional production on it. The song is called "Naked," and it's talking about the same stuff as Mary: opening yourself up and having somebody care about what's inside of a person. It's a work-in-progress. Things are moving fast.

Is there anything that you're exploring outside of music?

There are so many different facets to production, I've always wanted to cover all of the bases. I've teamed up with one of my CHUCKLIFE365 interns, Kirk Fraser, who's worked on BET's "American Gangster" and ESPN's 30 for 30 on Len Bias. We've been working together the last three years.

We did a documentary on the Tuskegee Airmen with Robin Roberts for The History Channel. We're working on my documentary, Chucky Thompson Presents D.C. Go-Go. It's not the go-go music story; it's my story with go-go music. A lot of people don't understand the music. They don't even know what it takes to make a go-go record. I got a segment based on the music: another based on the movement where it's been deemed the official music of the city, that process, and how it got there.

That's very important for our city. Last part is the mainstay: what happens in the city versus mainstream. A lot of people feel like go-go been on: others feel it never got on. That conversation is very important for the movement of it. I got a lot of celebrity looks like Anthony Hamilton and Lalah Hathaway. The people that matter to me most are in this project, and they don't do interviews for just anybody. There's a trust factor there. This is to show people that may not know what it is, how it's made and how it can be used. I wanna see a go-go band in Kansas City. We have a few other projects, but I just want to put the flag down for my city and let them know we're about to expose some things. By September of 2022, I should be done.

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35 Years In, Legendary Duo Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis Finally Release Their Debut Album, 'Jam & Lewis Volume One'

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GRAMMY-winning superproducers Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis detail making their first full-length album, 'Jam & Lewis Volume One,' their Midas touch, and their groundbreaking involvement with the Recording Academy
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Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis were actively writing and producing for their musical alter ego, The Secret, in 1986 when a demo they'd just completed caught the attention of an A&M Records executive. That minimal dance-pop track went on to become Janet Jackson's first Top Five hit, "What Have You Done For Me Lately," and put Jam and Lewis' personal recording careers on the backburner for awhile, their hit-making production and songwriting skills suddenly and incessantly in-demand.

The GRAMMY-winning Minneapolis natives' induction into the Songwriters Hall of Fame in 2017 encouraged them to revisit their dream to make their own albums. The prolific twosome is finally releasing their debut full-length project, Jam & Lewis Volume One, today, July 9, via BMG in collaboration with their revamped label, Perspective Records. At approximately 50 minutes, the Oscar and Emmy nominees' 10-track effort features The Sounds of Blackness, Toni Braxton, Mary J. Blige, Mariah Carey, Babyface, Boyz II Men, Usher, Charlie Wilson, The Roots, Heather Headley, Morris Day, and Jerome Benton.

"We would love it if people listened to the record from start to finish," Jam said. "The thought process for all of the artists on the album is if you say the artist name and mention it's a new song by them, what would you want that song to sound like?  We use the word 'newstalgia,' which is the discovery moment of hearing something new but that comforting moment of familiarity."

Jam and Lewis originally pivoted and morphed into accomplished songwriters and producers after departing from the Prince-produced funk outfit The Time in 1983. The fedora and sunglass-wearing pair's knack for tailor-making tunes regardless of genres under their imprint, Flyte Tyme Productions, resulted in timeless classics for Klymaxx, Cheryl Lynn, The Human League, The S.O.S. Band, Alexander O'Neal, Cherelle, Herb Alpert, Force MDs, Robert Palmer, George Michael, New Edition, Michael Jackson, Yolanda Adams, TLC, Vanessa Williams, Patti Labelle, Barry White, Elton John, and Gwen Stefani.

The multi-instrumentalists, who originally met as teenagers at a college readiness program, have placed 41 songs in the top ten of the Billboard Hot 100; earned more number one singles (16!) than any other songwriter and producer in history, and received over 100 gold and platinum plaques. The winner of five GRAMMYs, Jam and Lewis earned 11 career Producer Of The Year nominations, more than any other in the history of the Recording Academy. In 2007, Jam became the Recording Academy's first Black chair of the board.

GRAMMY.com recently caught up with Jam and Lewis to hear details about making their first full-length album, their Midas touch, and their groundbreaking involvement with the Recording Academy.

What's that like coming full circle as sought-after producers and artists?

Jam: Being outfront feels interesting. We really are the assist guys; we set the artists up to score, so it's a little different being the scorers this time. We're prepared for it because we started out as artists with The Time 40 years ago, but our artistry is all really based on just making everybody look really good. So with all of the artists involved, they're the inspiration for what we do. The difference [on this album] is our name is in big letters instead of little letters, but we pretty much do the same thing.

Lewis: We're used to being Nostradamus for everyone. All of the artists that we work with, we're fans of those people: their art and of them as humans. The hang factor is always high there. This project is a reflection of that; we got to hang with the people that we love and make music.

The long story is after the music stops being created and you let it part from your hands, then the other things begin. That's the part I'm still trying to get used to because I'm used to it for someone else. People love the songs, but now they're asking about videos, who's doing the artwork for the album cover, or who's the stylist. I hadn't thought about that. We can see everyone else from a 360-degree cycle, so we have to incorporate other people to help us see the vision for what we can't see. That's a little strange because we've never had management or too much of the other fluff things that make successful artists. Being an artist is no joke; it's no day at the beach.

How did you decide on which artists to collaborate with for your debut project?

Jam: We made a wishlist, which is ever-evolving, of people that we wanted to work with. Terry always calls it "hang factories:" the people we enjoy just being around whether we're making music or just hanging out. Then subject to their availability or other factors that go into it, that's how we determined the ten we thought were good enough to have. We also thought we wanted to have something that was long enough.

It was a combination of people we've worked with before and really loved working with, a few people that we've never had the chance to work with before, so it was a good opportunity to do that. There's a volume two already in the works and hopefully a volume three and four. One of our goals overall is we want to leave music in a better place than we found it; we can do that by creating music with great artists. It elevates everything, especially Black music.

Did your track record with Janet Jackson influence this album in any way?

Jam: The Control album days that we worked on with Janet helped us realize the palette we had to work with was endless. It wasn't that we had to say we couldn't do uptempo or downtempo, in this key, a rock song or a sensual love song. Everything was open, and we got a sense of trust with each other right away. That's been the key.

[Her] albums up to All For You and later Unbreakable, we did the whole album. Not only were we able to do the songs on the album, but we were able to arrange them in the order with the little interludes in between, so it was almost like telling a story or reading a book. That's how great records were done.

What's Going On by Marvin Gaye is probably our favorite albums of all-time because of the way the songs are sequenced and how they flow together with continuous thought. That, to me, was always the brilliance of making albums. That's what we love about doing this Jam & Lewis album; it's an actual album. There's something that's very special about that.

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Is there a story that you're telling with the album sequencing?

Jam: The Sounds of Blackness was our musical foundation. It's very good for us to see our label logo for Perspective Records also. When we started Perspective 30 years ago this year, our idea was to give people the music that they needed, not necessarily what they wanted. The first foray into that was signing The Sounds of Blackness and the song, "Optimistic," which to this day is our favorite song that we've ever been involved with.

Our theory was if you're gonna build a nice tall building for success, the first thing to do is dig that foundation deep. Thirty years later as we come back to that Perspective label, it was that same idea. Let's dig that foundation deep. The Sounds of Blackness start our record with "Til' I Found You," which is appropriate to start off anything that you're doing. That was really important to us to try to do as the first thing you hear sonically. It sets the tone.

Lewis: It bookends. "Babylove" with Morris Day and Jerome Benton [who were also in The Time] as the last record is the beginning of our beginning. We have the beginning and the beginning at both ends of the record. That was very special to us and important to have that inclusive nature. Sounds of Blackness was the beginning of our record label 30 years ago, and [Morris Day and] The Time was the beginning of our artistry 40 years ago.

"When we started Perspective [Records] 30 years ago this year, our idea was to give people the music that they needed, not necessarily what they wanted. The first foray into that was signing The Sounds of Blackness and the song, 'Optimistic,' which to this day is our favorite song that we've ever been involved with." Jimmy Jam

How did the coronavirus pandemic and social climate affect plans for the album release?

Lewis: The last year was a little inconvenient. I used the last year to learn about things and to do things that I never had time to do. When people started talking about getting back to normal, I always say normal was overrated. Normal was not having enough time to spend with your family, running from here to there, being in meetings about meetings. I'm just not that guy.

There's always been racial unrest; it's magnified now because everybody slowed down enough to visualize it. The world is paying attention at the same time. When does that happen with the way the world works now? People had time off from work, so they had time to march. If those things happen six months from now, I don't know if the same results will come. How we handle that is we stay diligent and get over people's preferences. If you can't want for someone else the same things that you want for you and your family, then you don't deserve it. I want everybody to have the same opportunities that I have. If you got the goods, bring it on. It's enough for everybody.

Jam: Ditto. What he said.

What's your relationship like with the Recording Academy?

Jam: When we got involved with the GRAMMYs probably around '86, we were told if we joined the Academy, then we could vote for ourselves. We got nominated for Producer Of The Year [in 1987], voted for ourselves, and won. It was great, and it set us on a path where we have to live up to that.

Someone asked me about being on the board. I'd always thought of the organization as a one-night-a-year awards show. I didn't realize that year-round work was going into advocacy, music education, fundraising for schools and instruments, and MusiCares. When I got involved, I felt the music community was my community. I ran and ended up becoming vice chair, took that experience and ended up becoming chair. I ran uncontested. It was great, and it ushered in the 50th anniversary of the GRAMMYs.

I was the first African American chair of the GRAMMYs. One thing on my agenda was always diversity; membership was important because we're a member organization. There's nothing like receiving an award from your peers. What was cool was after becoming chairman, Harvey Mason jr, the new CEO, said the 50th anniversary when I was honored planted the seed in him. He knew someday he'd like to get involved and do something.

To have that inspiration for people is really the best thing that came out of it: for people to see me and know they can make a difference and get involved. I love the organization, but we're only as good as our members, and we have great members. That's the beauty of the Recording Academy. We're more relevant now than we've ever been. We're on a great path with great leadership, and I couldn't be more proud to be involved with the organization.

"It's great to be a part of the fabric of something great, and music is that great thing... As Jam said, it's a connector and what connects us all. To be a part of that is one of the most awesome feelings in the world, to think that we've added something to the world that no one can ever subtract. I know we've added some good music to the world because that was our passion; that's the gift that God gave us." Terry Lewis

What crosses your mind anytime people call you legends or icons?

Lewis: With music being the soundtrack of life, it's just great to be a part of people's lives. It's great to be a part of the fabric of something great, and music is that great thing. I really don't understand for the life of me why people don't wanna buy music anymore, but so be it. We just gotta figure out a new paradigm. Music is part of the fabric of who we are. We would live in a terrible world if we didn't have music. If we didn't have melody or just couldn't hear it, that would be tragic.

As Jam said, it's a connector and what connects us all. To be a part of that is one of the most awesome feelings in the world, to think that we've added something to the world that no one can ever subtract. I know we've added some good music to the world because that was our passion; that's the gift that God gave us. It feels really really awesome.

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In the latest episode of the "Recording Academy x EBONY: Black Music Collective Podcast," a new podcast series presented by Procter & Gamble, host and two-time GRAMMY nominee MC Lyte chats with Jeff Harleston, General Counsel and Executive Vice President of Business & Legal Affairs for Universal Music Group (UMG), the world leader in music-based entertainment with operations in more than 60 countries.

In the episode, Harleston goes deep about the keys to longevity in the music industry and his bold fight to make change, topics he knows all too well: As one of the most powerful executives in the entertainment industry today, he has overseen some of the biggest releases in music across the decades. As a member of UMG's executive management board, he is responsible for overseeing all business transactions, contracts and litigation for UMG's operations worldwide. In addition, he is also responsible for the company's government relations, trade and anti-piracy activities.

Of course, Harleston's impact reaches far beyond music and culture: He is currently working to amplify and expand programs and initiatives to support marginalized communities in the ongoing fight for equality, justice and inclusion. He was recently tapped to lead Universal's Task Force for Meaningful Change, an initiative launched in direct response to the aftermath and civil unrest following the murder of George Floyd.

Throughout his decades-long career, Harleston has remained committed to progressing Black culture, providing artists with countless opportunities and "widening the screen" on Black culture and life worldwide.

Hear his story now in the newest episode of the "Recording Academy x EBONY: Black Music Collective Podcast" above.

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The "Recording Academy x EBONY: Black Music Collective Podcast" is a six-part podcast series presented by Procter & Gamble. Hosted by MC Lyte, the series include various members of the Recording Academy's Black Music Collective (BMC), a group of prominent Black music creators and professionals who share the common goal of amplifying Black voices within the Academy and beyond, who discuss their contributions and impact within the community and the music industry at large.

The "Recording Academy x EBONY: Black Music Collective Podcast" streams every Thursday at 8 p.m. ET / 5 p.m. PT through July 29 on EBONY.com and EBONY's YouTube channel and Facebook page, as well as on GRAMMY.com/BlackMusicCollectivePodcast and the Recording Academy's official Facebook page and YouTube channel.

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